Repost: What’s So Awful About Hillary? A Challenge

I posted this on July 28, and so far, nothing. I’m posting it again because some are claiming Hillary’s just horrible. Again. Prove it or shut up…


This is going to be quick.

I know, I say that a lot and then come up with 2000 additional words, right? But really, it’s a busy day and it has to be basic. For two days now, I have been challenging people who seem to hate Hillary to come up with specific, documented reasons why Hillary Clinton is such a horrible candidate for president and so far, they’ve come up with nothing. Of course, that’s just people who have my email or my phone number, which isn’t enough people to make for a good sampling. So, let’s open things up a little.

I know her record better than most people and I can’t find anything. I mean, the woman has been investigated by people who absolutely hate her for more than a quarter century and they have found nothing. And I mean nothing. And most of the attempts to smear her by my fellow lefties are about as lame as it gets. She’s not a “tool of Wall Street” – she gets far more contributions from unions and trial lawyers than she gets from “Wall Street.” A “war monger”? Based on what? Wanting to get rid of Khadaffy? If that’s warmongering, then many of the people complaining about Hillary now were warmongers when they complained that Bush did nothing to get bin Laden and he was “too chummy” with Saudi Arabia. And as I recall, she was one of the first politicians to openly work toward the “two-state solution” in the Middle East.

And please stop with the speeches, the emails and the rest. The speeches are no big deal and, at worst, the email thing is a mistake, not a crime. Although, I’ve been thinking about it for a couple days now, when I realized that almost every agency with the U.S. Government has been hacked in the last few years, including the State Department, but not her private server. Maybe she’s onto something, who knows?

I could go on and on, but you get my drift. None of the complaints I hear about Hillary Clinton are valid. They are undocumented and they are essentially repeated smears perpetrated by the venerated “Vast Right Wing Conspiracy” during the 1990s. I used to make fun of their accusation, as did many of the people I see repeating them these days.

I am issuing a challenge:

In the comments below, I want to see your evidence of things Hillary Clinton has done in her life that basically disqualify her for president. You need to tell us what she did and then provide proof along with it. And I mean proof. You claim to be smarter than the President of the United States, who trusts Hillary with the country, its security and his legacy, so prove it.

A warning: all comments are screened, so if you try to just be a dick or you make a claim and leave out proof, no one will see it. But I encourage everyone who is so negative toward Hillary to tell me why. As long as you’re civil and you have proof, you’ll have a hell of an audience. Go for it.

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  1. I did not like Hillary and was a Bernie fan after he started running for president. I knew fairly quickly that I would never vote for Trump as I did not like comments he made and he acted like bullies I have known in the past. I am a senior woman and over the years have leaned towards Democrats but have voted for Republicans at times. So I decided to research the Democratic candidates. I did have friends who liked Hillary in spite of what was said in the media about her. So I dug for proof that she has done anything criminal or illegal. What I found shocked me, and I have changed my opinion of her. Many of the statements and accusations are based on misinformation or incomplete reports of what she has done. One instance is that “she volunteered to defend a rapist of a 12 year ago and laughed when asked about it”. When you research the facts what actually is the truth is that she was a fairly new lawyer at the firm where she worked, was told this man was going to be her client; if she had not done her best to defend him the case could have been dismissed due to lawyer bias or inadequate defense; there were some problems with prosecutors case which affected the jury’s decision; and that she did laugh but it was during a conversation with another person about the case afterwards and did not include their whole conversation.
    I could go on & on about each and every claim that I investigated over the last several months but I won’t because the results were the same. I do not always agree with Hillary’s opinions, or choices. And I am not naive enough to say she has not made mistakes or been wrong about issues. All of us have been guilty of both in our lives unless we are a saint. But through the research I have done I learned much about her record of service that I had not known, (she has a long history of support and legislation for women, children, minorities, workers at 9/11 site, veterans,etc) and found that she and Bernie Sanders score towards most truthful candidates, while Trump is the least truthful and lies more than anyone else. I do not check point by point in making this statement but use their overall record:
    Another conclusion that I came to is that Hillary is probably the most qualified person ever to run for president, and as our current president and his wife (who I admire & trust) and some Republican candidates, as well as former presidents have voiced approval of her qualifications, I am convinced by such supporters she is qualified. I have found no proof of any criminal or illegal intentions against her.

    1. It’s not. People have a visceral hatred of Hillary based on what rumor and hearsay. I don’t quite get it myself.
      However you actually *feel* about her doesn’t matter. Actually prove that she has done something wrong.
      Because until you do that, all you have is just an emotional knee-jerk reaction.

      1. I totally agree with you~I am baffeled by the widespread hatred of Hillary. She has been accused of many things but has never been found guilty. Bush & Cheany did far worse in Iraq compared to Hillary & Benghazi. Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t congress vote down more funding for security in Benghazi?

  2. The anti Clinton rhetoric only comes in two flavors, right wing gibberish that’s been debunked for two decades or Emo Progressive or Libertarian purity trolling that more or less is waiting for a man on a white horse or just want to watch the whole country burn.

  3. I have switched over to Fox News, occasionally, during both conventions, to see what both sides are saying.
    As a Hillary fan, it was, I admit, painful, but I really wanted to know what her haters were saying, and wanted to understand where that is coming from.
    My conclusion? If I watched Fox News as my main source of information, I’d hate her too.
    It’s so flabbergasting how an event or statement can be seen and interpreted and then reported, in such different lights.
    Her haters are never going to change their minds because the folks they are listening to, will never report the news in a way that would allow for that possibility.
    My hope, in the end, is that the people who are open minded; that have done their due diligence in researching all that has been said about her, as well as Mr. Trump, out number those that are blindly regurgating the filth and lies that they are being fed, everyday.

  4. From a male FB friend and relative by marriage: “Never was a fan of Bill’s and so not sure I can vote for Hillary because she choice to marry him.” or something to this effect…it made so little sense to me that I can’t remember it verbatim.

  5. Great article and thank you so much for taking the time to write it. IMO, there is no proof upon which to base the all hate. Most of the people who “hate” her just repeat what other people say, like parrots. In truth, they do not have a clue about the real details of her life. And for those “life-long haters”, who have hated her during all the years she’s been in public service, well I think it all boils down to misogyny, jealousy and sexism. It’s 2016, and although we are making strides, there is still a world-wide war on women, and the good ol’ USA, is not exempt from that war.

    1. You lie, but *I* am the one not having an intelligent discussion. I asked for PROOF of her dishonesty and corruption. You provide us with opinions that reinforce yours. That’s not intelligent discussion. I mean, I could have just deleted the comments…

    1. You seem to be really stupid. I’m not asking for you to post reinforcement of your opinion. I’m asking you to PROVE she’s dishonest or crooked. And again, this is proof of nothing. She did not push the current TPP. She liked a version of it that wasn’t this. IOW YOU are being dishonest, not her.

    1. You don’t get what I’m asking, either. First of all, she was not alone in this. Second of all, this is an opinion piece. Third, I’m asking for you to prove her dishonesty and lack of truthfulness. And provide PROOF. Opinions by definition are not proof

  6. I have nothing against Hillary Clinton.

    But I can tell you a story about my own search for the reason people seem to hate her.

    A woman I know insists that Hillary Clinton “murdered” her son.

    I finally got the details.

    In the 90’s, First Lady Hillary Clinton encouraged Reform for the Foster Child and Adoption program.

    Now of course, the First Lady isn’t an elected official.

    But the Hillary Haters don’t pay attention to DETAILS.

    The Republicans cooperated in creating the “Adoption and Safe Families Act (ASFA)”.

    Now, what were the results?

    A previous law had created bonuses paid to the State to help support every child that was taken into the Foster Care System.

    And suddenly, the Conservatives saw this as a revenue source.

    Using the excuse of family poverty, some States began accelerating the number of children taken away from their parents.

    This was not an intent of the ASFA law, just as the 1994 Crime Bill didn’t encourage States to privatize prisons.

    But in both cases those laws were blamed for the actions of other parties.

    And in both cases Bernie Sanders, a thoughtful man, voted for them.

    But the Hillary Haters will go to great lengths to blame Hillary Clinton for SOMETHING.

    In my friend’s case, her son was put into a bad foster home and killed by another juvenile.

    It’s not rational to blame Hillary Clinton and exempt Bernie Sanders, but that’s what she does.

      1. Um, nice try. But I’m asking for proof that HILLARY IS DISHONEST. Do politicians sometimes inflate things and exaggerate? Sure.

        But so do you, obviously. Are YOU dishonest, “Corey”?

    1. So, you’re just lazy as hell and you just want to repeat the same lies that someone else told you. That’s not what I am asking for. I’m asking for you to prove she’s dishonest and crooked and all of that. PROVE it. Some other idiot tried to push that Politifact nonsense with me yesterday and I’ll respond the same way I did then. You are cherry picking to the nth Degree. From the same Politifact site, check these out:

      This is Hillary’s overall record: http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/

      As you can see, from her overall record, she rates a “Mostly True” from them. That proves that she’s NOT a liar.

      Now, compare that to Trump’s overall record, which is here: http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/

      Not that HE is rated “Mostly false” overall. He almost never tells the truth, according to them.

      As for the “Political Insider” blog, this is just an amateur “news” blog that has re-hashed 7 moldy oldies from the Vast Right Wing Conspiracy. These have all been refuted and, even if they hadn’t been, they are minor lies at worst. The woman’s been in the public eye for 30 years and you can’t find more than seven lies? That would seem to indicate rank honesty.

      No “Corey,” I asked you to substantiate that she is dishonest and crooked and all of the other things people like you insist on hanging on her. PROOF, not someone else’s opinion. Shit, I can easily find someone who spouts the opinion that the Obama Administration is the most corrupt in history, but the fact is, there have been no scandals and no hint of corruption. See the difference between opinion and fact? PROVE she’s dishonest.

      1. Bravo Milt~I find this blog most interesting. Thank you for posing this question/challenge. No one can give proof of her wrong doing or criminal activity. Bingo!!!

    2. The first link about Hillary includes only her false claims. To make a true comparison, on the same page when you read Fact Check on All the statements she has made, it paints a different and much larger picture. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/hillary-clinton/
      Fact check on ALL the statements Trump has made show that in comparison To Hillary he is much less truthful. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/donald-trump/
      The second link you posted about Hillary from the political insider is a pro-Trump, anti Clinton site. When I do a search on this site about Hillary, you find nothing but scandals and accusations. When I do a search on Donald Trump, the only results I get are more accusations but these are made by Donald Trump or his supporters against anyone who contradicts him or does not support him. So this is a biased, partisan website.
      The best proof against Donald Trump is his own words and actions; much of this is on video, in the over 3,500+ lawsuits, some made against him from people who could not afford the type of attorney fees it would require to fight him so accepted partial payment or just plain gave up. So for the most part, Trump was able to squeak by without criminal charges.
      But he has had to pay some hefty fines when he was found to have violated a regulation, or charged with illegal practices. Here are fines he had to pay

  7. Some citations would make this article stronger, for example when you idly state something like “almost every agency with the U.S. Government has been hacked in the last few years” I’d like to see those actual numbers.

    I also believe writing formal articles addressing these claims against clinton, again for example, explaining exactly why a case against her for the e-mail scandal would literally be impossible to prosecute, would also lend credence to this article.

    Right now it’s just a step above blowing smoke.

    1. http://knoxblogs.com/atomiccity/2007/12/06/los_alamos_also_hacked/

      This may not look very dramatic, but considering that Los Alamos – the super duper top secret national laboratory where the nuclear weapons are designed and is consequently a top priority for infiltration by our nation’s enemies – was hacked nearly a decade ago, despite monumental efforts to prevent such a break in (DoE procedures being a lot more secure than, for instance HHS) we can safely work with the assumption that such successful attacks have occured.

      Which is not to say that I condone insecure practices or laugh this off as no big deal. Quite the contrary.

      But the problem ultimately rests with Congress, by which I mean the Republicans, and the refusal to authorize and to fund programs at the intensity needed to do the job.

    2. I think the hacking of government networks is a real concern that I would like to have heard more about. After the Chelsey Manning incedent I’m not sure I would trust any thing on government networks unless they proved that operators had no access to content. It seems to me that the FBI statement on the emails by not giving some of that context was anti Hillary and misleading.

  8. I’m so glad you wrote this, Milt, because I’m needing some responses to what I believe is irrational hatred of Hillary. And I truly want to understand what’s at the root of all this so I’m better able to respond. And if you’ve covered this in previous posts, just give me the link, but the latest I’ve heard is the Honduras Coup of 2009 — that Hillary wouldn’t agree that it was a coup (which by law would precipitate cutting off all aid), then said it was a coup, just not a military one, then people died, so she’s responsible. They are also saying that since Berta Cåceras was assassinated, and that the present government is very unstable, crime is up, etc., that Hillary has “blood on her hands”. I just listened to Democracy Now’s interview with Hillary about this (http://www.democracynow.org/2016/4/13/hear_hillary_clinton_defend_her_role) and she said imposing a sanction is a legal act and it means that you have to sanction everything, including humanitarian aide and she didn’t want to make every poor person suffer because there was this overthrow. I listened to her response several times, and I’m satisfied with it. I think that Hillary had to make horrifying judgement calls as SOS. What I found interesting is that they never addressed Hillary’s concern about making the poorest in Hoduras suffer as a reason for Hillary not to call it a coup. They just say she lied. I guess these people would never have compassion for a difficult decision in an impossible situation. Yes, this was the job Hillary signed up for, so am I an idiot to still believe in Hillary? One thing I have a sense for is that if you disagree with a decision that Hillary has made, I think she had at least a modicum of compassion behind it. You can’t even remotely say that for Trump. I’m not naive enough to think I have to “like” my President. But the trashing of Obama by the left started pretty early after he was elected and that, in my opinion, gave people an excuse not to vote in 2010 (ensuring the Tea Party congress he’s still saddled with). I’m pretty politically active, and every time I engage with a Hillary hating person they really aren’t actually DOING anything except yelling about how corrupt she is. They usually haven’t been involved previously — or else I would have run into them — so I have no earthly idea how they think they’re going to “change” the party (that they hate so much) AND they don’t even know who is representing them. They certainly aren’t showing up for fundraisers for these state senators and representatives — the people who need the support the most, and who, frankly, are the picture of real grassroots progressivism. Can you also direct me to any posts you’ve written about the sheer MATH of all this? That voting for Jill Stein is splitting the vote, therefore ensuring a President Trump? (shudder!) Thank you!

    1. Marubione, I read that article you linked to, also, and was struck how the interviewer turned a straightforward reply by HRC into a follow-up article entitled “Clinton’s Policy was a Latin American Crime Story.” She can’t win no matter how many interviews she gives. No wonder she doesn’t do press conferences.

  9. Milt. I have asked this question for years and all I get for an answer is derp. I think we can all agree that the media has had decades of making money by hyping one Clinton “scandal” after another and this has colored people’s perceptions. It is amazing she can stand at all after all the shots they have taken at her.

    I think there is another dynamic going on that doesn’t get enough ink. Among large swaths of nominally liberal citizens and often among the young ones it is considered “cool” to be disdainful of Hillary. They really don’t know anything about the issues and may not have even been born when Clinton was impeached but they hear peers talk and this meme has caught on. They also often have a desire to be non-conformist when it comes to hearing older liberals praise Hillary. No healthy adolescent wants to join mom’s knitting and tea club.

    This is why you so often get a blank when asking “what’s wrong with Hillary?” What’s really wrong is that she just isn’t popular in the “in” club but they can’t say that because that would reveal them to be rather mindless followers. The very thing they are trying to avoid by hating Hillary. That’s also the reason why they think that Bernie is so great (even though Bernie actually is pretty great).

    1. I’m a data scientist and I have been asking people for data on what they assert regarding Hillary since the election started. It tends to make them angry, because they come up empty which makes them realize that they are making themselves look pretty stupid. Being autistic, I really don’t give a damn. What is “wrong with Hillary” is what has always been wrong with Hillary: she is a woman who has out-worked and accomplished more than every man in public service in current history, including her husband and President Obama. She makes the average politician look like the political dilettantes they are.

  10. I just want to know how I can get a link to this for my Facebook page. I also want to commend you for doing the samething I have been asking my friends that disagree with me to do. My attempts have fallen on deaf ears and all I get is the same old smears and conspiracy talk offered as proof. Help me with my desire to get my friends to atleast look at the facts.

        1. You can share any article on your Facebook page. If you just post the link, they’ll just go to the blog’s Facebook page.

  11. She’s a woman and doesn’t know her place. She’s ambitious, she should have divorced Bill, she tried to ram universal health care down our throats instead of waiting for Bernie to do it. Her voice is in the wrong register to be presidential. Who cares if she’s been doing good all these years, she’s been doing it for too long. Her hair is wrong, her make-up is wrong and her clothes are wrong. She murdered Vince Foster and some people in Binguzzy, or so I’ve heard. She’s unlikable and untrustworthy, not sure why, but even MSNBC and CNN and the NY Times say so, and they’re liberal so it must be true. She should have been nicer to poor Bernie, but also shouldn’t have let him walk all over her lately, no self respect. Women should stay home.

    1. You sir are the things she is so good at making angry, a sexest. Would you talk to your mother like this if she did not agree with your opinion. Get a grip. This I does not show any proof or documentation. Just the same old garbage. How be that as it is I do respect your right to have your opinion. That is the reason I went to war in Viet Nam but got no respect when I returned from people like you. Hillary did more in 4 years than most people do in their entire life and for that she is hated by those that have done nothing. That Bigazzi charge is a lot of crap. The Republican Congress defunded the State department budget for the defence of our embosses and then tried to drop the blame on her door steps. Why don’t you haters do some research and except the facts. That same Congress wasted millions of dollars to prove nothing but that they did not like what she did try to do over their heads even though she never blamed them for or revealed their part in the problem. When they grilled her for more than a day and she made them look like the sexest they were they admitted they did not have anything but said that was just because she did not answer their questions truthfully. That does not hold water because if she lied under oath she would have been prosecuted. Get a grip. I am your worst nightmare, a educated black, street smart, man that respects and loves women and loves to see them get the respect they work for. Everything I have stated is a matter of public record so look it up for yourself. Just stating what is in the paper is not proof. Most media says what ever sales papers or increases ratings. Do a little research for yourself. Elohiym says “study to show yourself approved unto him…….”, try it, it works.

      1. Thank you. In fact, the daily drumbeat of bizarre equivalences between the two candidate’s failings reveals only one thing: that our country is profoundly misogynistic.

    2. you live in an altered reality. Hillary never murdered anyone, and listening to CNN, Fox, MSNBC are tied to corporate media. I can pull up plenty of reading material that would prove you’re wrong. but not going to waste my time on a degenerate. Shut the Fuck up, enough of your Trump trolling.

      1. my above comment is for Dydon, the very first commenter. Telling women to stay home, is coming from an angry white male raging on. I’ll bet he sucks in bed..

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